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[quote=Milliardo Peacecraft]This is a really interesting thread. Here are my thoughts: 1. It really depends on your value system. There are no rules, we came up with the rules ourselves, people will act based on their own values. You might think it's wrong to "steal" a married man...but what if that man was a great guy abused by his wife and the girl who did RS/ PW genuinely loved him? We probably would be more inclined to give our blessing. And there are exceptions even if the marriage is healthy, like if there is some kind of arrangement, open relationship, polyamory, etc. It's comforting to think that people share all of our values, but what's right and wrong will often have different shades for each person. 2. I personally don't think it's good to use these techniques to interfere in other people's healthy relationships. I value healthy relationships not just for myself but for others, so that's where I draw the line. I've been on LoA forums for a while and I've seen people use these techniques to mess with other peoples' relationships to achieve their own desires. More often than not, these people were in the dumps and it showed that something was lacking in themselves, driving their pain - a scarcity mentality instead of an abundance mentality. Most people giving advice are telling others what they themselves wish they could hear too, but I don't think encouraging people to chase someone with techniques is always helpful...sometimes the most helpful thing to do is to tell them what they don't want to hear. After all, there's a big difference between getting what you want and being happy. 3. Just because we have a desire for something doesn't mean it's right to act on that desire and it doesn't mean the universe wants us to fulfill that desire. ISIS desires to kill innocent people and overthrow the West. If the universe indeed wants them to fulfill that, then most of us here are screwed lol. People in relationships sometimes have desires for other people, but it doesn't really have to mean anything and instead of acting on those desires, they just learn from it to keep their own relationships healthy. Sometimes I feel like people are looking for confirmation from others, no matter how silly the reasoning, that going after what they think they want is acceptable when deep down they already know the answer. 4. I do believe in karma, but it's very different from how most of us look at karma. If you look at the research on near death experiences, people will tell you that karma exists, that we do reincarnate to learn lessons, that when we die we will experience all the good we have done and all the pain we have caused as if we were in minds of others. Perhaps it flies in the face of the whole "you create your own reality" idea, but then again...different strokes for different folks. We all have our own journeys. 5. Despite my own beliefs, we're all using loaded terms and assumptions that can't really be measured or assessed in a concrete way. Things like karma, consciousness, and the nature of reality....they are extremely esoteric and we're just working with assumptions that we want so badly to believe in for one reason or another. Just because we read about it in an esoteric book doesn't make it true. 6. About Neville Goddard - I'm always fascinated by how people use the example of his 2nd wife to show that you can attract literally anyone,,,,,but Neville himself stated "But I’ll tell you one thing, do not concern yourself with the means. Always go to the end. Dwell in the end, and you will hurt no one. But if you try to devise the means, you are, well, messing the whole thing up. I have had people say to me, “You know, I want that man, and no other man.” I said, “No, you don’t; you want to be happily married. You don’t want that man or no man.” “Oh, yes, that man or no man.” Then, of course, this always shocks them. I say, “If he dropped dead right now, would you want to be married?” “Well, he isn’t going to drop…” “I didn’t ask you that. If he dropped dead right now, or if he is right this very moment accused of being the world’s greatest thief or murderer, do you still want him” “Well, now, why ask those questions, Neville? I want that man.” But, you see, it isn’t that man. They want to be happily married. I have gone to so many weddings where it was either that man or none, and it wasn’t “that man”! And they are embarrassed when they see me standing in the aisle, because it had to be “that man or no man,” and here it isn’t that man at all. And they walk down [the aisle] – they are happy with their new mate, but a little sheepish as they pass by because they know I know he was not the man.You want to be happily married. All right, go to the end. You are happily married. Then let him come, clothed in all that it takes to be happy in your world." So it seems like Neville fans aren't following his advice...by choosing the person they're still stuck on the [u][i]how[/i][/u] instead of going to the end...which may yield to you someone other than the person you thought was right for you LOL. So just because we want this person of this thing doesn't mean it's destined for us or that it's right for us...like Neville said: "Go to the end." It's not really the person we want, it's how they make us feel or how we expect to feel by being with them. 7. [quote=Oasiscalm]At the end of the day if a married man responds to PW or flirting, then that's his moral issue not the woman who is trying to attract him. If he chooses to leave his wife to be another woman, that is his doing. He is breaking his vows. He made the commitment to someone and decided to leave that marriage. I wish woman would hold the man accountable for his leaving and not try to push the blame and responsibility onto the woman he leaves for.[/quote] This isn't fair. The main reason why people do these techniques is to influence (or control) the person into making a choice. So if as a result of the technique, the man feels so incredibly strongly for the other woman, is it really fair to blame only him for it? He didn't really "choose" to have these feelings, the girl doing the technique just put them in his subconscious mind and it builds up to the point where it seems like there is no choice at all. That's how most people here see it. I don't think it's fair to blame the man for straying when the girl doing the techniques made it so difficult for him not to like her and lose his sense of will and commitment for her since that's what most people think the techniques are for. But then again, if it is true that everything is a result of what we believe, then we can't blame the other woman or the man, we can only take responsibility ourselves since it's our own belief that caused it.  [/quote]